Are You a Hentai Otaku?!

2008 March 1

I’m sure most of us collect anime figurines for the same reason – They’re stylish, cool, aesthetically appealing, and cute. They have nice creatively designed outfits, and well, they can be sexy. From my standpoint, they’re just that – aesthetically pleasing PVC. Artistic, dynamically sculpted, and capture the original character in a state of suspended animation. And in a way, a statement of your fandom towards that particular series.

So why do people think you’re perverted?! You’re puzzled. You think “What is it about my hobby and fandom that lets you pass that sort of judgement on me, a perfectly normal person?” To them, they see a figurine wearing practically nothing, posed in a provocative manner, usually with large breasts, and even they themselves are often tempted to peer underneath the skirt to see what panties these pvc girls wear, if any.

Arin - Super Swing Golf Pangya

I just discovered that Arin, from Super Swing Golf Pangya wears polkadot panties, thanks to a coworker that decidedly looked up her skirt. After owning her for so long, I actually never thought to look. My mind has now been tainted.

They mock you on your perversions and fail to understand that these are not a substitute or an appendix to your “sick fantasies“. They don’t understand that you collect these figures with the intent of admiring them like how a comic-book fan would admire a Wolverine or Spiderman statue.

But why? Why is this link not there? What is it that makes them think you are perverted? The answer is simple yet not so obvious. It’s a relation between reality and fantasy when the lines of appreciation are blurred. Let me give you an anecdotal story on what I mean:

My friend had a bachelor’s party. We got him drunk, we got roudy, and then we went to a strip club. This was supposed to be Vancouver’s Best as well. I was more than amused at the setting. Girls wearing white single-piece, cotton dresses almost like a Chinese Dress look, with plunding front and back and probably nothing underneath. Short skirts, and netted tank-tops. It seemed pretty “standard fare”. Then the dancers on stage – they were wearing very exotically cool outfits. Some looked like persian/arabian princesses, silk sarongs, elaborate embroidery, mixed with leather corsets with lots of buckles, and knee-high leather boots. One of them wore a completely red outfit – leather boots, corset, short pleated skirt, and black angel wings with long blonde hair. Tall slender body and legs, prancing on the stage floor.

What am I getting at? I looked at these outfits and was thinking “Wow, they look super cool! Stunning!” I found myself critiquing every one of their outfits, analyzing every detail, every frill or buckle…

… much like how I would with an anime figurine. And then it hit me. “These costumes would look great as a figurine…”

What I saw

My artist rendition of one of the strippers that appeared on stage. Yes, she was blonde, and that slender, and yes, she did have that sort of sensuality about her, and no she was not an anime character.

The link between reality and fantasy… the very reason why people think we’re pervs. I’m at a strip club, and these outfits are considered “sexy” and “taboo”. Honestly, yes you would never ever want to wear that kind of clothing on the streets, nor would you allow your girlfriend to wear that kind of clothing on the streets. But for some reason, it’s okay when it’s an anime character.

Why is that?

Simple : you watch anime. You see these characters do that all the time. Parading on city streets, revealing their panties, and even fighting in combat. Of course it’s acceptable that anime characters wear these types of clothing. And to those that don’t watch anime, all they see in those figurines are naughty/dirty little girls from strip-clubs. An insult and offensive representation of females. Degrading.

I was in reading in Wired Magazine recently about how Manga and Anime are taking North America by storm, and how this came to be. (it’s the cover story)

It starts off with a brief history of how Anime showed up in the 80’s in North America starting with you know, Speed Racer, Kimba, Robotech, etc.

However, anime didn’t really take off until series like Akira and Ghost in the Shell came along. The reason being was that during this era, a lot of bored teens needed something to amuse them. The whole futuristic themes of Terminator etc were rampant and Akira took that to a whole new interesting level. Extreme violence and sex was something unseen in cartoons, and Akira quickly established the “norm” of Anime.

In Japan, they have just as many, if not more, varieties of shows as they do here – children’s anime, anime with violence, drama, romance etc etc. However, it seems that only the violent or sexy anime make it state-side. It’s like a vicious cycle.

This is my point – Anime is deemed as violent or sexual because the shows that appeal to North American audiences are violent and sexual in nature. They are effectively creating their own stereotype.

Nowadays, we have a much broader range of anime genres appearing in North America. However, the less informed typically still stick to the stereotype that anime is violent and sexually explicit. They’ve been indoctrinated with the ideas that Anime = sex/violence. Even the slightest thing can be twisted into something it’s not. These non-collectors who see it from “the outside”, if you will, have most likely never seen what true perversion on the extreme is in terms of anime figures. However, they relate it to the general culture of Anime, which is typically not suitable for kids. They seem to fail in making the connection that Pokemon and Dragonball and Sailormoon fall in that spectrum also.

There is definitely a double standard applied between fantasy and reality when it comes to anime, regardless of what genre the anime falls into. Ones that seem more sexually liberated are the major targets, especially in North America, where religions such as Christianity and Catholic are the norm. “But ah, fine sir. How do you explain North American comics with revealing characters, such as Wonder Woman being acceptable?

Wonder Woman is quite scantily dressed, and brings quite a bit of sex appeal if you look at it critically. She carries a whip, and if you’re able to cross her gauntlets, she becomes entirely submissive. There’s a tonne of implied sexuality right there, and in comics, no doubt! Morrigan also radiates sex appeal on the same level, but yet it seems that Wonder Woman is more widely accepted than Morrigan. So why, indeed?

Familiar Wonder Woman (left), compared to Unfamiliar Morrigan (right). I chose a cosplay photo, and a photo of the Wonder Woman TV show as an emphasis on example of applying real-life views to this case.

The answer is quite simple, actually. Familiarity is a major part of acceptance. We’ve grown up seeing Wonder Woman in North American culture, and have accepted that style as norm in Noth American comics, where as unfamiliar, relatively newer content is judged more harshly and differently. This sort of double standard exists not as an anomaly, but part of the habits, views and values of modern society in North America. It’s the whole reason why back then, Rock and Roll was considered bad and violent influence for kids, just like how video games now are considered bad influence for kids.

Side by side comparison of Blanc Neige (left) and Botticelli’s Birth of Venus (right).

It doesn’t help with the stereotype when figures are generally half naked. While attractive and artistic, the double-standard that people have really distort the way they see things. Above is my coup de grace example of the double-standard drawn upon the difference between accepted art, and the art that is otaku-ism. If you’ll notice, Venus is actually wearing even less clothes. However, if you show the Blanc Neige to any non-anime educated person, they would consider Blanc Neige “perverted”. You show Botticelli’s Venus to those same people, and it is considered art.

Go figure (pun intended)

27 Responses leave one →
  1. 2008 March 1

    interesting topic…
    Seems like people doesn’t appreciate these stuffs though they like art.. Yep this is art…
    A friend of mine has a naked body of a woman(face not revealed) as his wallpaper on his phone(it was Aoi Sora, a Japanese AV idol before that) and some of his friends considered it as perverted pics but for both of us, it was art… And these figurines are also a work of art and most of my figures had enough clothes on.

  2. 2008 March 2

    Interesting indeed. Thankfully everyone that comes to my house and don’t watch anime (mostly adult older friends and some of my age) they find my figures amazing and extremely cute, no pervert, no crazy, no nothing, they find it interesting and always ask where I get them from.

    If there’s one that would call me crazy he/she wouldn’t understand a thing about art and sculptor. One of the other reasons why I buy PVC figures is because of the art itself, Mirei-san is a work of art, the underwear very detailed, the face is divinal, the human forms are gracious even with a bit exaggerated breasts and her pose makes everyone astounded that sees her here.

  3. 2008 March 2

    very good article here.

    Those things that you mentioned (especially about the figurines) seems like the common mindset of non figure collector (but friends usually understand).

    When people ask, I usually told them that my figurines are my photo models ^_^ (and then they will ask why there’s no male figurine? ._.)

  4. 2008 March 2

    Stumpled on your article from Anime Figurines Network. Although I have not collected figures, I do enjoy looking at the quality shots of the figures from enthusiasts, or simply just the details and the art of the figures themselves. It is true that such hobby of figurine collecting often gives negative impression to some outsiders, who may associate anime with violence and sex. For me it’s shame for people who are either narrow-miinded or are misled by stereotypes. Sometimes it’s the general impression of ‘being an otaku’ is more of a problem than simply collecting figurines, as there are often negative things about them from public view. Even one of my friend, who is into anime and games, have this view on otakus too.

    I do want to start collecting some too, but I do not know where to start with (and space is already a problem as I have collected too many 1:144 tanks already). Besides there is a general negative view on otaku culture from most people I know of. I’m sorry to hear that you often have to bear with these problems when you have to face your co-workers joking about you.

    By the way nice blog! Wish I can be active on mine but I often lack inspiration. Will see whether you’ll more photos on AFN.

  5. 2008 March 3

    Nice comparisons! Though I got to point very quick on the whole Wonder Woman to Morrigan… yes it’s familiarity, but I think that also what each of the character portrays and stands for has merit too. Wonder Woman is known to be an Amazon warrior for Justice, her whip and gauntlets aren’t really used to dish damage since they are more used mainly for defense. While on the other hand, Morrigan portrays the opposite. She’s a wild party seeking Succubus! Succubus are known to be alluring beautiful females thus they have the curves and flaunting of their weapons i.e: breasts and ass to lure their victims in.

    Bottom line I think is people need to be a bit more open minded than to fast assume just because they have or own so and so figure that they’re this or that. A lot of times… likely 80-90% of what they think is totally off the chart in why the person got the figure.

    As well, each type of figure has it’s own genre and label. Like I mentioned briefly in the Anime Figurines Network… there’s Adult Figures, Standard Anime Figure/Video Game Figures and Child Toys. I’m sure there are a bunch of others in between, but you get what I’m saying…

  6. 2008 March 3
    Paliodor permalink

    Very good article.

  7. 2008 March 4

    Thanks everyone! It’s good to know that my efforts are appreciated. :)

    @Samejima : I don’t know if you can qualify Sora Aoi as art, considering she does mostly a/v. But, a woman naked and posing artistically represented (as in, not lewd) should be considered art. In most cases it is. Perhaps your friend has already been branded? I’m quite sure that if I put an artistic naked woman as my wallpaper on my cellphone, it wouldn’t be appreciated either.

    @Belela-san : From the looks of your figure collection, with the exception of Sera-Chan and Sei, they are all fairly decently dressed figures – as in you probably wouldn’t feel awkward if they were dressed like that on the streets (maybe Ignis is stretching it a bit) or in the mall. But who am I to judge, considering what I consider to be decent. heh heh.

    @ron : LOL I get the same question asked to me too! I have to prove that I do indeed have male figures and collect figures for their art.

    @Q : hey! Good to see you on here too! I agree with you on the points of those that are considered “outsiders” Someone at some point raised a good counterpoint in that modernly speaking, because of series such as Naruto and Sailor Moon, anime isn’t as associated with violence as we are led to believe. It’s true – in that generation, those kids grew up with Sailor Moon. My generation grew up with Akira and other violent anime flicks.

    @Varyle : I can’t say much about the portrayal aspect of it, but you could be right. But if you show someone who has no idea what Wonder Woman represents, but knows of Wonder Woman (seen her lots) which is 100% possible given the amount of out-of-context exposure she has had, and show them the relatively new and unrecognized Morrigan, I think you’ll agree, Morrigan will stand out as being “sexier”. I totally agree with your bottom line. We’re definitely on the same page. Hope to see you more on AFN btw. :)

  8. 2008 March 5
    Havoc permalink

    Pretty interesting article.

    You can apply all that in France as well.
    If you could see the faces of some of my friends/family members when I get a new figurine…
    The way of thinking here is pretty much the same. Anime/manga culture is more and more accepted and considered by the young generations, but there are still many that can’t drop the old stereotypes.
    For instance, my brother’s wife (wich is a teacher in grade school) was once worried because one of her students reads manga and asked me if it was OK for a – year old boy to read manga. I had to explain her it depends of what he reads, and that her question sounded to me like “Is it ok for him to read books, or to watch TV ?”. Here as well, it depends of what he reads or watch…
    That means that in her head, manga = violence (and/or sex).

    It all started in the 80s when animes appeared on French TV in shows for children. The fact is that some of the chosen animes weren’t really meant for children (Hokuto no ken, saint seiya, city hunter, and other violent and/or suggestive stuffs) and were drastically censored (sometimes the episode wasn’t even understandable because there were to much missing scenes). Since then anime and manga are either considered childish or violent/sex (paradoxical isn’t it?).
    So they are not for children because of violence and sex, and they are not for adults because it’s anime. So nobody can read/watch it.
    Anime/manga culture is making its way, but still a long way to go…

    So I only show and talk about my mangas and figurines with people that like it (I could convert some friends ^^).

    Hope my English is good enough for you to read. (And if I may, you say “coup de grâce” in French. No “e” at “coup”).
    Thanks again for the interesting topic.
    Now I’ll go read the rest of your blog ^^.

    By the way, people don’t understand why I buy figurines, but they can’t refrain themselves to touch them regardless of the “Do not touch” notice I place near resins…

  9. 2008 March 5

    Wow, Even France? And I had always thought that European countries are much more liberal. If your friends and family give you a look of disgust when you get a new figurine, then that is pretty bad… perhaps they need to understand more of why you collect figurines – sometimes it does need to be explained, but even still, the barrier is difficult to break down, especially when old stereotypes exist.

    You raise a good point – people tend to generalize things that they don’t understand until you put it in a perspective that they do understand – reading anime equating to “watching TV” is a good comparison for context of the question.

    The same sort of labeling happens here with cartoons as well. Take Duckman for example. Obviously an adult oriented cartoon, but part of the reason for it being canceled was because people complained “it’s not for children!” The same goes for video games such as Grand Theft Auto and other rated M games.

    Thanks for the note about Coup de Grace. Changed! :)

    LOL people want to touch them because they are dirty minded. naw just kidding. it just shows that they’re curious. It’s at that point you can explain to them the differences in plastics via my web article, and the whole idea behind collecting anime figures. ;)

  10. 2008 March 5
    Havoc permalink

    Well, European countries ARE actually more liberal.
    As I said, anime and manga are more and more popular among young generations (some says that France is the second country that buys manga after Japan, dunno if it’s true) but there are still many that have no interest and do not understand (people above 30 generally, but I won’t make that a generality sine I actually “know” via IRC some people over 30 that are anime fans).
    Concerning my figurines, there are no look of disgust, but rather a look of incomprehension. They consider it totally useless and way too expensive (for something THAT useless that is). And since some of them show some skin you can add the perverted stuff on top of it. Artbooks seems to be accepted more easily depending of the content.

    I’d like to add something about the Wonder woman / Morrigan comparison.
    As said by Varkyle, “Wonder Woman is known to be an Amazon warrior for Justice, her whip and gauntlets aren’t really used to dish damage since they are more used mainly for defense. While on the other hand, Morrigan portrays the opposite. She’s a wild party seeking Succubus!”.
    As far as I’m concerned, I agree with that statement. BUT:
    Since Morrigan IS a Succubus, she is meant to be sexy!
    On the other hand, Wonder Woman is an icon of Justice, but does she need to wander half naked and use a suspicious whip to be so?
    She could wear a less revealing outfit and use a sword (which fits more the “Justice” part than the whip IMO).
    So, Wonder Woman IS sexy although it’s not her point. Basically, she’s been made so to “attract” male audience/readers.
    How about that ?

  11. 2008 March 5

    He consider anything naked as art…cuz he’s uber pervert. hahah…

  12. 2008 March 6

    Beautiful post, Radiant.

    I’m sure that this article resounds the sentiments of anime fans everywhere.

  13. 2008 March 7

    @ Samejima : haha it doesn’t sound like he’s helping our cause!

    @ skyre : thanks. feel free to share the article with friends or your own blog. :)

  14. 2008 March 9

    Yeah… Anyway, He’s seen my room and collections and he’s not ignorant… saves me from explaining stuff…

  15. 2008 March 11
    machiavellian permalink

    Individual spontaneity will always subject to the prevailing moral sentiments of our societies, restraining what is “considered” pernicious
    to a member himself and affront to the wholesome image that his “politically-correct”community defends to portray. The power of morality breaks a man’s fall into vulgarity and intends to bridle a man’s worhip
    of his belly- the seat of all his appetites and aversions to which we will never fail to succumb; and no man can protect himself against self-degradation as the control of himself. This self-control is one kind of
    virtue that Aristotle and Friedrich Nietzsche would extol.

    In contrary to your comment, exposure to the realm of all anime genres that were once alien to someone does not always guarantee in him
    a deep sense of appreciation for such art. And a German philosopher, Arthur Schopenhauer, says in one of his works, “Prized Essay on the Freedom of the Will,” that a man’s predilection emanates from the
    depths of his soul. Since habits make a man, useless it is to dissuade
    him to a socially approved contrivance of his brethren.

    I share with your assertion on “double standard” which pervades in our opinions when we render our disapproval one of the two arts that are distinctly similar; yet we do not always see the true Idea of their forms.
    I find no fault with anime and their merchandises that evoke sensuality
    for I too cherish, for their aesthetic value, my collection of anime figures
    (e.g. Max Factory’s Kureha and Kasumi (Black Ver.), GSC’s Kanu Unchou, Ryomou Shimei.)

    Even if I were to meet an otaku who admires such art that is perceived
    as an aberration, I can never confer him a stigma of moral depravity because it is unjust when no one could see some “inherent” goodness
    in him.

  16. 2008 March 12
    Radiant Wife permalink

    I am one of those typical critics of anime and otaku. I dont consider myself a fan of anime but I enjoy watching some of the cutesy and girly animes. I enjoy them more than the kiddish north american cartoons because of the romance content in anime.

    I don’t think all otakus are hentai. Though there are some figurines and anime series that I simply disapprove, which in turn makes me wonder what kind of person would like something like that? Of course, the scanty clothing and voluptuos physique stand out…. Hm, this guy must be hentai!

    Something is just not right about some of these figurines/characters. The super cute innocent cartoony face, with big boobs, supermodel legs and controversial outfits don’t go. Anime, which I simply see as Japanese cartoon, meant for children and teens should be kept clean pure and simple. Before I knew that the target audience for some animes are actually adults, it shocked me the amount of violence and subtle or not so subtle sexual content there are in some of these animes. My instinct is that these are bad cartoons.

    Before I watched the Haruhi Suzumiya anime, I thought the bunny outfit guitarist Haruhi figurine was shallow — it was another one of “those” figurines”. After watching the anime, everytime I see the figurine, I would link it to all the quirky little things Haruhi did in the series, how I enjoyed the series, and well, the figurine has slid from my “disapproved” list to my “approved” list. As for the anime, I still think that the storyline is interesting enough that there’s no need for the bunny outfit or for Mikuru to be so well-endowed. Same for Chobits… Chi’s power button could have been better located.

    Since many popular series have a little bit of nudity or sexual content, even when they are not necessary to plot development, it is no wonder people stereotype otakus as hentai. These little additions/character designs won’t be in the anime if they didnt appeal to otakus.

    My take on Wonder Woman is that she is not overtly sexy, and that is not played up in any of the cartoons.

    So while I see both sides of the coin, if you ask me if I think otakus are hentai, my immediate response would be to nod, but very cautiously. I’m not saying all of them are, but many are, to some degrees. For me, sex and cartoons are not a good mix. Leave the sex-appeal to the Victoria Secret models.

  17. 2008 March 12

    Wow! Very well said! It’s good to get an honest perspective from the non-otaku (or at least half anime fan). I agree with you on all counts that it’s not necessary to show panty-shots or provide sexual innuendo (like they did to poor Mikuru in Suzumiya Haruhi). There is a term for that – it’s called “Fan Service”. The “opportunity” to please fans and provide them with what they want. In this case, horny otaku nerds. I personally don’t care much for that, as it rarely adds anything to the plot other than comic relief (if used effectively).

    It’s interesting to hear that you’ve grown to understand anime. The biggest, would be the realization that certain anime is definitely not meant for kids. You have pretty much proven my point in that people who don’t understand something, will inadvertently label it according to a predefined social stereotype, until they are able to grasp a better understanding. Everyone is guilty of that, no matter what it is that they’re looking at – from anime, to wind surfing.

    I agree that it’s almost like a begetting cycle – the otaku want to see panty shots, the publishers provide it in order to catch demand. Fortunately, the anime genre is broad enough that there is appeal to suit any variety of needs – from super cute and innocent anime, to ultra violent anime, sexuality can sometimes be absent from either spectrum (as can be seen from series like Card Captor Sakura vs Dragon Ball Z)

    In regards to Chii’s power button, apparently it was located there for a reason – in that the main character had to choose between lust and love. He was willing to abstain so that he could love her, because hitting that power button would reset her.

    Overall, good response, and it gets people thinking about who they really are and what they stand for.

  18. 2008 June 15
    Mikemc permalink

    I was showing off my Final Fantasy 8 Leviathan figure to a guest and the first things she asked about were “Why are her clothes ripped, and why does that girl have a whip?”

    Quistis was using Leviathan to help protect Selphie who was injured in battle.

    - Mike

  19. 2008 June 16

    That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Completely ignoring the actual art of the statue, and focusing on the small little details that seem “against the social norm.”

    However, that ignorance is not uncorrectable. Among individuals. Though I have yet to figure out exactly how to do it. Perhaps it differs from individual to individual. onepeachsoda’s response is a very good one – this is what most non-otaku think about though for her, she’s already had some exposure to begin with.

  20. 2008 June 19
    Mecha_Trueno permalink

    @Radiant: i read this article months ago and i still link some friends to it when needing to explain why i buy my figurines! the blanc neige to venus comparision works VERY well.
    so, GREAT article.

  21. 2008 June 19

    Thanks Mecha Trueno! I’m glad that my articles are useful to people! Hope you enjoy the rest of my site too! :)

  22. 2008 November 27
    Phillip Kaiser permalink

    Nice read sir! I just saw this linked from Dannychoo and having read some of your materials in the passed, i must say i’m very pleased with all your work on this blog. I like how thoughtful your posts are and how intelligent much of the discussion is surrounding them. I look forward to contributing my thoughts to your future posts.

  23. 2009 March 16

    This is why I love this site!

  24. 2009 June 7
    Dead permalink

    I will tell you why Wonder Woman is more accepted, because she doesn’t go around moaning and spreading her thighs everywhere she goes, American comics and cartoons are just better, let’s face it, better storytelling, no horrible stale and dry humor, and no gay sex stuff, by gay I mean stupid. The sex and fanservice is so lame, and every single anime does it along with the crappy humor, it doesn’t make any sense, mangas too. How am I suppose to think that the same joke is funny the thousandth time I’ve heard it? Anime is just beyond nerdy, comics are nerdy, but anime is worse, and the Japs that make it are too sexist, the shows and books are always about young boys, which is grosse, and they are usually about teens in general, still grosse, and the main characters, or villains, are never women. Take Nights for example, from the games, in the new game for the Wii, they call Nights a guy, though Nights has a female voice actor, and a girlish figure, it is disgusting, why does very character they make have to be a non-homo homo. And anime’s have bad storytelling, period. It is never deep or satisfying, just overly outrageous or in a high school. And who cares if it is shocking, shocking would be a snuff film, I wish I could see a GOOD snuff film by the way…

    • 2009 June 7

      Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but wow, your comment added absolutely nothing to the discussion. It sounds to me like you just have issues with anime and want to vent. It seems pretty obvious to me that you’re ignorant to the broader spectrum of anime – ones that have no fan-service, sex, or violence, but have an excellent plot with excellent character development.

      Everyone take note. This is exactly what I was referring to about people who don’t get anime, or the otaku lifestyle. Watch out for these people, because if given the chance, they WILL burn you at the stake.

      Oh btw, Nights for Wii is a terrible game. I can’t believe you bought it. And Nights isn’t anime.

      Thanks for writing.

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